Tip #2: Plan a Dinner Close to Home or at Your Home. if i dont get invited to something, i for one will find a reason why. :-) UPDATED: So I had a conversation with my friend about something else, and it came up in conversation and she invited us, so we're going there. How to Get Over a Guy You Had a Crush on Guys are simple creatures, but it can still be frustrating trying to get them to do what you want. The days when everybody was on the same schedule and you knew which hours people were awake and prepared to receive visitors are in the past. Places like that are MINE, are safe, are meant to be shields against the outside world. If a friend texts me to say Hey, just bought a new bike at the shop around the corner, can I stop by on my way home and show it to you? then I wont mind coming out onto the driveway for 10 minutes to admire the bike and catch up. I really, really need time to myself, and someone showing up to my house unexpectedly, no matter what, makes me feel uncomfortable and encroached upon. I would have just asked him to entertain himself while I was finishing up whatever or getting ready for whatever. This kind of stuff is hard, but I firmly believe that there are solutions that will make everyone happy without anyone having to feel ashamed of their preference, goddamnit. You preference is not a moral standing. dont surprise anyone in their sanctuary She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. Later, after invites had gone out and the spares were given to the Bride, Bride told housemate to tell me I was invited verbally while at some other event. Thanks again guys! Your choices are to accept that and reduce your attempts to hang out, or to ask her directly whats going on. I know my grandmother wasnt wild about it, but she clearly gave up trying to set that boundary some time in the early 1980s and ended up just expecting the rudeness. Weekend, so chance to sleep in and do chores. More like quasi-grudging, quasi-cheerful wellp, this is what society expects houses to be cleaned like, so Im getting there slowly stuff. They wonder if they should take charge and ask if they can come along, but they're also worried that everyone doesn't actually want them there. That could take 15 min, and it doesnt save me any time! The world has changed to respect those peoples boundaries, rather than requiring those people to (JUST) lower their boundaries to match yours. They did call first, but left a message because no one was home and came anyway. My rule of thumb is to not go anywhere where I have not been expressly invited (kind of like the vampires in the Captains hilarious trailer). Inviting yourself over to people's places is frowned upon, at least in many Western cultures. Coming over last minute and late at night isn't romantic. You don't want to seem desperate, more like you think it sounds interesting and may drop by, but if you can't come it's no big deal, and it wouldn't mortally offend you or anything. WE DONT KNOW. I announced a Rule that anyone who shows up early is working, and the next time those same bachelors showed up early, I handed each one a chore. I moved a year ago partially to be closer to friends; after making suggestions and having them declined or canceled at the last minute, over and over again, Ive told the Brom that if hes offered a transfer out of state, Ill start packing today. When a guy has a thing for you, he'll want to talk to you all the time and as often as possible. Or very close family. Even before then shes become increasingly distant and Ive been getting the impression that if Im not in her life in a certain way, she doesnt have space for me. He did the whole I dont mind a mess, I understand! thing, sat himself down, and proceeded to talk about his church for about 20 minutes. Pack a bag for your sleepover. Agreed. I mean, if people need to identify and express that cleaning/not-cleaning comes with a sense of shame, go for it! - YouTube 0:00 / 2:46 How to invite yourself over to someone's house. He worked from home-so he thought it disrespectful to not treat his home like any other office. Like my ex was anxious about casual invitations outside of her home (like at a nearby pub) that had less than 24 hours notice. I also thought I was bad at social cues because reading social cues seemed to mean so much more than just interpreting someones face and words correctly. Oops, LW I just realised I misread that, and you are friends rather than workmates. Its like the whole late/early thing. The need to suddenly clean would discomfit me, sure, but I would be more bothered by some of the above. You could for instance say, I would like to invite you over to my place but my roommate is not so cool with that . The point is to let them know that someone is at home, yet while not opening the door to a potential home invasion. You go on a date and really enjoy it, you guys hang out, drink and have a good time. Luckily for you, this article will show you every tip you will need to get to your end goal. By agreeing on brutal honesty we can both have a good time while were having it, and end it when were not. Side note in regards to the hosting habit as something that is not done AT other people but is really about the host: Remember those episodes of FRIENDS when they switched apartments and Monica was desperate to have people come to the apartment she was in because she loved being the one who hosted? (Polite noises can be Anyway, it was good to see you; I guess I should head out and let you get back to stuff?), I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends.. But I wanted to say it isnt as simple as saying people with anxiety must have hated that prior culture. It tells me that she *knows* the world isnt an open invitation for her to insert herself into other peoples social events. But, these are very close friends; if they sent me the same thing Id be comfortable with a love to see you, but Im not changing out of my jammy pants or brushing my hair type of answer. If I am 5-10 min early, then I will walk my ass up to your door and knock. I mean, I dont want to live in a way that allows for friends to stop by without cleaning for hours. I definitely prefer the anonymity of living in an apartment in a city famed for its unfriendliness. I have no idea what he said, because all I could do was sit there and think about how he was within a 5 feet direct viewing radius of our entire collection of underwear. Of course that when I invite you hes also invited! If someone is discussing a plan in front of you, they know youre there! But only she knows why she reacted that way. I have optimized getting MY needs met and didnt even consider whether or not it made you feel uncomfortable., Let me help you be more efficient by removing one social obligation from your list.. Yeah, definitely my building has a lock on the front gate that can only be opened with a key, no buzzer/code to punch in/etc., so my friends have to text me in order to get to my doorbell anyway; I would rather they just text me and have me run out to the car to save them the trouble of parking! We were working adults with careers, although not particularly demanding ones. I'm not sure about your apartment or home, or whether you and the guy are both single, but when a guy invites you over to his place, the most obvious explanation is that he's planned sex for the evening. I just didnt realize that when someone starts coming down on you hard for doing something as innocuous as dropping by at the wrong time, the problem isnt with the etiquette rule; its with the relationship.. He isnt a part of me, you know, hes another person that you can invite or not, and Im not a mind reader to know you want him there unless you, well, say so specifically. My ideal is a phone call from a passenger as the driver gets close, or a phone call by the driver from the loading zone. You could also go to a bar closer to his house and act a little tipsy and call him up saying you are a bit tipsy and dont feel too comfortable driving home in this situation and you can sober up at his house for a little while then go home later. Before you ask, think about your personal or business privacy concerns. For the chronic advice-givers, this usually takes me repeatedly saying I know youre trying to help, but Im just venting right now so I dont want advice, thanks. I used to get REALLY angry about it, but eventually I realized that most people arent my horribly abusive family: they are genuinely trying to help, and will stop once you tell them that its not helping, rather than continuing until you start crying uncontrollably and agreeing to do whatever they say. With platonic friendships, most people seem to go with the slow fade rather than confront problems in the friendship directly and honestly. The joy I get out of hostessing is why I do it. It's more expected that everyone will keep up with what's going on, and take the initiative to get involved if they're interested. I know its immature, but I dont want to cut all ties, and I have to deal with them in some kind of way that doesnt make me feel so anxious and on edge. Unfortunately, that particular time conflicts with my schedule. In short, she limits my ability to say no graciously. Come for dinner tonight at 8:00 is an invitation, Come by later is Hey, glad to see you, we should catch up at length soon. I havent spent time in Brazil, so I dont know if thats a Brazilian thing or a dudes-who-grew-up-with-M-specifically-where-he-grew-up thing but it is a real thing, and M. has had to rethink and clarify it for American friends now that he lives here. I thought I was so bad at reading people, but it turns out that Im completely average. This is the craziest way I see guys blow their opportunities. Example #27. Its often said that a way to a guys heart is through his stomach. I may have moved all the furniture in a fit of spring cleaning and theres nowhere to sit. 5 to 10 minutes late is compassionate. Im like this too and I have an anxiety disorder. I wonder, and this is me being suspicious and on the lookout for odd behaviour as a profession, so I could be totally wrong and if so I apologize, but I wonder: If the intensity of his reaction has anything to do with the fact that he wasnt working, but instead naked. Providing a thoughtful comment on a blog post of a friend, or community contact. Sometimes right as I was getting home from work. The Captains given some good general guidelines, but when it comes to the specific relationship between the LW and this friend, I think in some ways its simpler, because its an individual. If put on the spot they may feel too uncomfortable saying no. Here's when we do it. I have invited said best friend over for a playdate, twice, by email a week in advance each time. Im inattentive-type ADD. 2. If you think you are you could try. Hope to catch up soon. And then let her be the next one to reach out. It could also mean that he really enjoys your company and just wants to hang out. From my own life, Im a person who likes hosting but deeply disliked the conversation I had: Hey, Ive been wanting to watch This Old Movie, do you want to watch it with me? Sure, Im free all weekend Great, Ill be over at 3. I think thats *incredibly* relevant to this issue. Luckily, subtle politeness is allowed. Me: Probably.. Do they really need to get out of the car in these conditions because of your preferences? Re: ADHD Girl (also sorry nesting fail) I suppose that depends on how long youd been with each other and how comfortable you were if it was a very new relationship I would be kind of focused on presenting my best self and maybe thrown by a date who showed up while I was still getting ready. Next Thursday? Yeah, thatd be fun!. It's also a good way to practice self-care, by saving your time and attention for people who reciprocate. This particular aspect of socialising is difficult for everyone so I hope LW doesnt get down on themselves about it. Frequently saying no is going to cause problems with even the most dedicated Asker, so the prudent course is to say it strongly once, even if the idea of occasionally saying yes isnt awful. So just read on and you will be ready to win the guy over. Learn everything about your strengths, desires, and shortcomings. It feels like a Big Commitment to do complex scheduling on everything, whereas yo Im walking my dog down your street feels very, very low key to me. Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. Any interest in a Saturday matinee?, Them:Saturday is bad, but could we do the 2pm on Sunday?, You:That works. maybe shes going through something that has nothing to do with the LW and needs space from everyone! Friends would sit outside my window at midnight and yell at me to go for pancakes with them. Werewolves not Swearwolves. Keep it to ones self, I say. This is hugely fraught partly bc of things like anxiety disorders but partly bc a lot of people in this category have repeatedly suffered derision, dismissiveness, ridicule etc from friends and family many times in the past. *I would guess that she is more open to work-visits because there is a built-in time limit to the visit. A soft no is still a no. Pass the ketchup?, Im so happy youre dating that nice [race] person. I want to live in the world of calling cards. but where will the implications sit if youve moved all of the furniture? Is this something I should be policing in my speech? Although still-couldnt you just say dude, Im still working, can you hang out for an hour reading before we watch our show? Im glad Im not the only person who got a needy vibe from that. Or you could leave her wondering why you werent there. Their legs might get tired! For example if Bob Alice Camille Davy et al all know that Bob and Gerry are going on their honeymoon starting on Friday, I will feel fine talking about the picnic on Saturday. If Im just at home, I can just switch from alone-state to friend-state and be done with it. Generally, with close friends, I do the text and make plans like now approach. The thing that you are missing, it sounds very much like you miss it from a privileged position of not having safe-space related anxiety. But since were all contributing our opinions on drop-in culture, Ill say I love it. If Im in the neighborhood Ill text and say hey, Im having dinner at X if you want to join but thats the extent. Copyright. I dont even know how to make polite noises. I also know you're afraid of getting a response because that means you have to take the next steps. is way more hassle than Hes here; Im leaving now especially since Im usually fleeing with a handful of stuff that hasnt quite made it into my purse yet. I only meant this to be directed at the idea original idea up top, that someone picking someone up is obligated to park, get out of their car, and ring the doorbell, instead of calling from the driveway (which I believe is ridiculous). Inviting yourself over to her place. But I didnt tell her I was in the area. Attempts to join group events have gone horribly wrong (like going to lunch when someone asked, who wants to go to lunch? and realizing once I was there that the invitation was actually only for men, which I am not), which just reinforces my need for an explicit invitation. I just didnt realize that when someone starts coming down on you hard for doing something as innocuous as dropping by at the wrong time, the problem isnt with the etiquette rule; its with the relationship. 3. Even if I cant have that, I do like the occasional text of Im at the grocery store near you; how about I stash my stuff in your fridge and we hang out for a bit? on random evenings. ), ps. Me, too!, Oh, youre a vegetarian now? I didnt mean to derail the conversation about unexpected visits into a separate thread on the shame some experience re: cleaning. Age group and environment probably matters too. My current circle has enough meetups coordinated through non-Facebook means that I dont mind missing the occasional Facebook-only one, but when I lived in a different city with a different social circle I actually picked one person I was closer to and asked her to be my Facebook mole If you see a whole-group invitation go out via Facebook, could you email me about it? You may be as creative as you want, and if you are competent at cooking, they will be impressed if they say yes to your invitation. Right now, he is just barely able to call his grandparents on Mothers/Fathers Day if I dial for him. I'll go into more detail below, but this is really one of those areas where you have to use your own judgment. Let your life and worth ethic speak for itself. It wouldnt involve a reaming out. If the LW did the same here, e.g. I am so glad asking this question because its one Ive also had, although in my case Im on the other side of the fence Im friends with the mom, and her daughter likes my kids, but they cant stand her. Going on for eight paragraphs about what awesome food you will have, in front of someone who is not invited to eat the awesome food, is unkind. But I guess this goes hand in hand with another (also common in my social circles) practice, that of regularly making tentative plans that are never executed. Golden. This was a bigger issue for my girlfriend at the time, but after a certain time hospitality would dictate that we offer food or drink, which extends the visit and expends house resources. Sadly, society doesnt really have a script for ending platonic friendships. But Im not ok w/ other people seeing that (especially when its messy instead of just cluttered). Answer door, but open it only a crack. Its up to the visitor to remain mindful of the length of their visit (and the potential impact on others) so as not to overstay their welcome. - Inviting Myself Along DEAR INVITING MYSELF ALONG: I suspect 2. Lets say you were completely wrong when you showed off your new bicycle, and lets say your friend told you so. Yeah, my schedule generally involves napping for several hours in the middle of the day. But theres a lot wrong with painting peoples legitimate reasons for disliking unexpected people dropping by as some sort of irrational priggishness, and the cleaning remark is just gratuitously nasty. In more structured situations (like my wedding) they arrived in event-appropriate attire with their inside voices intact, consistent with their middle class upbringing and higher education level. I never answered the door if I wasnt expecting an important delivery. They would invite you if they wanted! Did you want some company / help? Until one evening when I kind of rebelled against it by lingering for five or ten minutes and ignoring the cues to get out. I think just showing up is different from inviting yourself over in a way that allows for a no, but some people would be very uncomfortable even with asking if you can come over (the assumption being that if they want you to come to their house, its on THEM to ask YOU). Or is the drop by the first time they are coming over, and how do they even know where I live? I once invited a friend and her boyfriend to Thanksgiving at my parents house and the boyfriend, who I had met ONE TIME, invited EVERYONE HE KNEW. Instead of spending time wondering how to invite her back to your place during the date, strategize before the date by choosing a dinner spot that is close to home . He only ever is here for 15 minutes and hes been my husbands friend for more than 20 years so I dont feel as if I can be as agressive about my boundaries as I normally am. Ive had a personal experience with a partner that lived a very compartmentalized life because lets just say. Any self-respecting grownup should have mouthwash and face-wash readily available for exactly these types of situations (and hopefully for themselves on any other normal night). (closes door, puts in earplugs to block out resulting temper tantrum, goes back to bed) *exception for family. [4] "You're all talk. If theyd gone with the latter I could give a soft no if I wasnt feeling it and dignity for all would be kept intact, but by hiding that question it pre-empts the soft no by making you divulge that no you didnt really have any plans and are in fact free, thus making it trickier to evade an unwanted invitation gracefully. im just saying that i didnt invite you is not a reason, but i would rather go with my bestie is. VIOLA PARADISE. A lot of it probably is the presumption of intimacy of showed up at my house compared to showed up at my work. My bathroom at home is also the guest bathroom and I kind of want to tidy up slightly embarrassing but totally normal hygiene products before someone uses it? Me: Ummm have fun? It would be a hassle to ask everyone they meet, "Hey, we mountain bike. We dont have enough information to know whether this was appropriate in the context of the relationship. Like, maybe we will both be in the same house on Christmas Day. To continue with dating parallels, I figure, if a social acquaintance likes me, they will act like they like me. Ive had a not awesome day so maybe Im just being a kvetch, but I do not think all in-advance-of-company-cleaning has to be shame cleaning. Also I dont care how YOU (or the poster above you) feels about the underwear on my floor, Im still picking it up before anyone comes in. I have a friend who has really bad social anxiety (which paired with my own anxiety is not always a fun time). But I moved away, and now that I am well out of college anyone who came by unannounced would definitely get a are you ok? I dont mind drop-ins, if its just a rare opportunity thing like they were down the street running an errand. When, or if, is it okay to try to invite yourself to something? If I am picking you up at a certain time, best practice dictates that you are at the door, ready to go. Speaking for myself, personally, a same day text or phone call that says Im going to be in your area, are you free to hang out later for a bit? from a friend is more than fine but an unannounced and unexpected knock on my door, like, Hi, Im already here here to hang out with you! is pretty strange. You want things to go right for T, and your son to be happy with the results as well, and leave T wanting more. Its like that one time Johnny England went a wandering without saying when that one time was. Or just the opposite could happen, and it may be a bad move to invite yourself to an outing where that kind of thing is commonly okay. Not saying this is a sensible way to do things, but for anyone else readingyes, sometimes it does slip peoples minds!). I think she was taken aback when I said Its a church wedding so of course its open to the public anyone in the congregation can attend. She was angling for a personal invite. Wanna join, Wee_Ramekin?). But say a person you see every now and again text saying something like ' I will come over in 3 days time to see you. Newly married. What Happens If You Put Salt In The Corners Of Your House? After some time, call him on the phone and act tipsy. I didnt know what to do and chased after her. An ex-partner of mine used to plan their scheduling (work, social and romantic) very tightly. And started pointedly talking about being hungry around 7pm. My space is not your space friend, it is mine and I want to keep it that way! I think big expensive things get a pass on the discussing in front of others thing. Going around the corner for drinks? Even if Britney WAS DD as well, that wouldnt be the issue, and bringing in suggestions that shes just like a three-year-old are weird and ableist. ", (Hearing some people may meet a club this weekend) "Oh okay. Are you also taking the initiative to plan things with friends? (For values of we meaning the people of my generation that I know. But I care. Keep it minimal and casual. If you're a fun, interesting person, who gets along well with everyone who's coming, then nobody's really going to protest if you appear. This may help put to rest frustrations I sometimes feel about issues where my preference runs counter to that of most people. Maybe in the past they've spent time with these people, but have felt ignored or left out, or like they were quiet and boring. The never answer the door unless expecting a specific visitor policy is also really true of people with stalkers. But Ill try and get better about using my words too. This sort of thing reminds me that the only era for which I know there were clear and universally followed rules about this sort of thing, it was Regency era England, when people* would drop by during a clearly defined period of the day for a morning call, for about 20 minutes, and your butler could declare that you were not at home if you didnt want to see them. But I also know which of my friends are ok with it and which arent. Depends on age and social skills; if travel is involved, the kid(s) in question may be too young to go on public transport/cross the main road etc. Answer door, welcome cousin with open arms. Remember to be also clear about when you intend to arrive and take your leave so that he does not feel bombarded. But I also think that its one thing to set boundaries with friends and family, and another with people you are intimate with because even if youre not actively cohabitating, not having the kind of relationship where you can share space would feel very alarming. She still isnt invited and she still isnt coming in. Visits are preceded by five days of anxiety, and followed by days of needing to be loved, and held, and told that I am a good person, and that my parents are shitlords. Oh, great! We slept at one anothers houses. Well, then, I accept! When can you ask again, if ever? You were learning. Ah gosh, my mum does that all the time! And as an aside, its not stupid to not think of the landline, at all. OH GOD ME TOO. There are so many places and cultures out there, maybe its still normal for some people? I can see how someone would find that rude. Or you could be waiting on the porch/by the window and ready to go, since someones being nice enough to pick you up? Also, hard as it may be to swallow, sometimes the person we think of as our best friend doesnt consider us to be *their* best friend. Its definitely been the type of thing where they expect four people to join them for their birthday dinner and BAM, Clueless Cousin is there already. I say invite T.! Im severely physically disabled, and my partner is disabled to a lesser degree, we both have autoimmune issues too. My house is not actually that much messier than some of my friends who dont mind saying shove over the laundry basket and nudge the books out of your way, welcome to my home. Then I realize theyre not going to punish me, they really were just asking, and its no big deal going forward. So, unless Camille brings up her party in front of Bob, Im unlikely to talk about it. Because they were not ones to take a hint. One time she offered to help me pack for a camping trip with my friends that she wasnt even going on and only gave me 5 mins of advance notice. 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