he did so because there were problems and he knew more would come. Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. she either did or didnt inform her husband immediately 1. Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. He was talking about how successful Sociopaths and Swindlers and Abusers are masters of Camouflage (and Misdirection)! With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. Oh well. Put it in context and think about such a convo. Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. Most common reaction in the world. Exit music: There are evil people who look like good people. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? But is that truthful? Lynne Hybels was born on 21st November 1951. Things are starting to get ugly. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. Dee is correct with respect to Hotel rooms. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. Max, darn! You will eventually find like minded people. And you re-evaluate. I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. Have you read the stories of the great persecutions of the early church. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. B wrote: Source: www.dailyherald.com. My wife worked for a Fortune 500 and did grad work in the hard sciences, she taught for a Pac12 university, I have taught law in higher ed for 15 years. I think the *Ambien* excuse is important in this account. So your mind overrides your gut. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. Shameful! Thus, the cottage industry that often accompanies or is an integral part of their ministry (sic) glides on, and the supposed spiritual.authority who is moving on is positioned to escape consequences and true rebuke. There are a tiny few, a tiny few. Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. Why wait until now?? Nothing really bad happened. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. That should be shut down with extreme prejudicepun definitely intended. Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. Kick out the immoral/abusive pastors. Give me the bellicose jerks any time. And with Invocation of GAWD subbing for the Ludes and Roofies. @ Julie: @ Forrest: Home; NEWS; Actress; . The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). If any Pastor asked me to have a private, evening chat about leadership I would have looked like a leaf trembling in the wind. Its not. Christian vs. Jew Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? Shauna (Hybels) met her husband at Willow Creek before they went to Mars Hill and joined Rob Bells staff. Let me give you some good news. Ummm-not exactly. OK. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? Weve seen all kinds of abuses from ministry leaders and time always reveals the truth. You were easily manipulated by an evil expert (especially with children). (Source: https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels). . Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. Bill Hybels has stepped down. I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. @ okrapod: This is exactly what I had in mind!? Everyone liked this guy and a group of women didnt want him to go to prison because he was so nice. That is a mistake. 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. I only hugged a co-worker once. etc. But she was trying to equate her comraderly relationship with Ortberg the same as women who have come forward concerning hybels Behavior. ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. Do you want to know about Bill Hybels. Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. I do. Just think what you could do with a well placed suggestion after taking Ambien. I can't apologize for his choices, but I do apologize for mine," she explained. It creates an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. Oh yeah. Not one. : It was part of his long time abuse of her. The strength and impact of Nancy Beachs and Vonda Dyers words remain, thankfully. They share two children named Shauna Niequist who is a bestselling Christian author and Todd Hybels Who Is Lynne Hybels Lynne is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church and author of Nice Girls Don't Change the World and a columnist for Sojourners magazine. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). These things were the normal and the personal assistants was more than happy to go along. A year later they started Willow Creek Community Church. Further, just Google and do a You Tube search on Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels. When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? Read the Bible Dee. after the perps death before she told anyone. Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention!! He got GAWD on his side Ever. Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. There are films to prove it. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. @ Bridget: You are just nailing it. Sadly, I feel confident that this has not infrequently been engineered by the profiteers running these circus-show churches. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. Just wondering if theres a way to make it easier to keep up. In this case, not only Peter but Barnabas and others were getting caught up in inerrant action that impacted Christian fellowship. And what does Lynne Hybels think about all of this? So done. Not physical tally sheets, but during my time in-country there sure were MENTAL tally sheets used for the One-Upmanship Game. I know, Ive been there. -Behaviors went on for many years Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. Mahaney books. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? Oh yeah. Big money, fame, power and influence? All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. Without gossip and people looking out, anyone who has been hurt by church/leadership will simply be driven out, and the whole thing covered up. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. All of the disciples failed Jesus. Ambien made me do it (Bill Hybels) That is not old school. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. They get it. But please dont discard their testimony for the reasons you gave. Billy Graham, doing the work of an evangelist, told people the good news. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. Should I be worried? Eleven repented and realized their failing at the resurrection. This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. : When the founding big cheeses are gone (sorta) the factions start forming. That has got to be trans-species perversion right there. But at church with people you see week after week? What happened to people? He did so for a reason and it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Im not saying any of that is right. His wife had died rapidly of inflammatory breast cancer and we were at the funeral home for visitation. He has two children with his wife, Lynn whom he married in 1974. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. Why not go public 4 years ago?? Scapegoats? I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions, Only in Christianese One-Upmanship My Piles Bigger Than Yours!. Jesus wins. Rats gnawing cables in two; When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. That isnt good for anyone. Mistletoe killing an oak, I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. Not even the great prophets got such responses. We are as busy as they; In 2001 my church began instituting #MLKWeekend in our annual church calendar, focusing on teachings of #MLK & the tragic legacy of systemic racism. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. I am all for systemic analysis and the big-picture view. Redemption. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. 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